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Osceola Taxpayers Give $1,000,000,000.00 (BUT, it's over 10 years!)To Orlando For Soccer!Alleged Spouse Abuser Returns To County, Wheeler No LOnger School Board Chair!...more

| by Carl Cricket | November 23rd, 2013 | 2715 words

Well now, almost a week has gone by and nowhere were we able to locate the story of Osceola County’s “donation” of $1,000,000,000.00 to the City of Orlando for the expressed usage towards the construction and planning of the new ORLANDO soccer field, located in ORANGE County. This item was one of those unannounced items we’re seeing more and more of at the BOCC meetings, currently under the command of Frank Attkisson, current chair. The vote was 4 to 1 but very clearly everyone noticed the only no vote came from Commissioner John Quinones, who seemed a bit surprised AFTER the vote when he realized it involved an item in his own district! :oops:

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Many of the citizens in the audience from his district were not surprised, but even amused that it seemed certain he had no idea of what he had just voted no on. Meanwhile, the Osceola County BOCC has agreed to GIVE the million dollars over a 10 year period and is specifically earmarked to be spent on construction related items only. In fact, please do not believe us. Take a look for yourselves on the item which popped up Monday morning, leaving many citizens unknowing and even more less informed! Here it is;

http://sire.osceola.org/sirepub/pubmtgframe.aspx?meetid=3253&docType=Agenda

Please, tell us what “SPECIAL EVENT” needs to be held for 10 years in Orange County? In fact, what the heck IS the event? Seems it appears to be yet another little secret by the entire BOCC. Go ahead, ask them all for the information, then please let us know so we may share with all of our neighbors here, in Osceola County! Something else you should, no, you MUST know is that this million is coming out of OUR general fund account as the expenditure of tourist tax dollars would be against law if they gave TDC money out of the county! It gets better, just not yet! Well, okay then, if you insist, do you all remember when we told you how the county would be asking for all kinds of money from US? Well, to top this million dollar slap in the face of ever taxpayer in Osceola, the BOCC has (as we told you) been meeting with “friends” and you can expect the to want to raise the sales tax AND the gas tax. The sales tax, we’re told, would be a penny and the gas tax continues to hover around a nickel. This appears to be a deal approved by certain people at the 5th government agency, the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce. The actual details of their meetings are unknown, however, IF anyone acted as a conduit for ANY commissioner, to carry a message or messages to other county commissioners, that conduit could face jail time and fines. Now, all we need is for someone to speak up to the authorities. Meanwhile folks, get ready because 2014 is just about 6 weeks away!! :no:

You’ll remember when we advised you of the county employee who is a close friend of the finance director at the county and who hired his friend away from the Miami area to here to fill a rather nice paying position that no one in Osceola County was apparently qualified for! If you do recall, he was the fellow arrested and placed in jail for abusing his wife. Well, when the victime reportedly won’t cooperate, despite the bruises, the State Attorney in this area does what the guy before him does. Drop the charges and send him back to work. Now, realizing this was a touchy subject when first brought up we’ll say that he was NOT found innocent, simply not prosecuted by Jeff Ashton, the State Attorney who has been getting rid of any case requiring much work, just like his previous boss, Lawson Lamar. Our opinion remains the very same regarding spousal abuse. It should NOT be pushed under the rug, should NOT be ignored, and SHOULD BE PROSECUTED, especially when there are bruises! :-/

In what seemed to be an eternity, Jay Wheeler is no longer the school board chairman and now MUST fall in line with his fellow board members. School Board member Tim Weisheyer is now the Chairman and, after observing him at various meetings, seems to be a very good fit with a calm personality. He belongs being the Chairman. Hopefully, the board bully will behave himself and try to be a normal board member, although Vegas has the odds against at 17 to 3. No matter what, we wish you lots of luck, patience, and very good humor to get through this next year, Mr. Weisheyer. Certainly, you are the better man for the job!
Speaking of bullying, if anyone watched or attended the school board workshop, Mr. Wheeler continued to push his own views, even what was against the Florida State School Board Association had wanted. He continued to push board members to allow cheaper construction of our children’s schools, regardless of whatever concerns fellow board members had, and despite the resolution which was passed and agreed to by the association and will be going forward in the Legislature. It is;

• 2014 FSBA Legislative Platform – Adopted 11/24/13

A-10 Revise Florida’s charter school statutes and policies to:
• Provide for a local school board with the final decision-making authority over charter
schools within the district, including decisions to accept or reject and to renew or
terminate the charter contract;
• Apply the same laws, rules, and regulations to both charter schools and traditional
public schools, including regulations relating to class size requirements, selection of
students, release of students from school, facilities standards, tax exemptions, use of
categorical funds, financial standards and transparency, ethics, and establishment of
high performing status;
• Repeal the standard charter school contract and restore the school board’s right to
negotiate a contractual agreement as the sponsor;
• Oppose any effort to divert any local tax funds to charter schools without the consent
of the school board;
Let’s keep our schools, current and future safe and avoid shoddy and cheap work, allowing certain buildres to make even more money off of taxpayers’ dollars! Just say NO, Mr. Wheeler!

Actually, we have a couple more items but we’ll wait for the next blog. Things are picking up now so we may be out in just a couple days. Thank you all for checking this little blog and forming your OWN opinions as we have here!
God bless each and every one of you. May God keep you healthy, and safe, and always be with you.
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Kissimmee Police Looking for Armed Robbery Suspects

Kissimmee, Fla. (November 18, 2013) – Kissimmee police detectives are looking for information regarding an armed robbery that occurred early Monday morning.

At approximately 5:00 a.m., two males entered the lobby of the Howard Johnson located at 4311 West Vine Street in Kissimmee and committed and armed robbery to the business. The suspects demanded money from the motel’s register and safe. They fled the scene in a grey colored four door sedan. No one inside the business was injured during the incident.

Suspect #1 is described as being between 5’11” and 6’4” tall and was wearing a dark colored hoodie, dark pants and was armed with a shotgun. Suspect #2 is described as being between 5’11” and 6’00” tall and was in possession of a handgun. Both suspects wore ski masks and gloves. The victim was able to see some skin tone on the suspects and believes both of them to be black males.

Anyone with information about these suspects or the crime is urged to contact the Kissimmee Police Department’s Major Crimes Unit at 407-846-3333, by e-mail at seeitsayit@kissimmee.org or CRIMELINE at 1-800-423-TIPS (8477). Calls made to CRIMELINE remain anonymous, and tips that lead to the felony arrest of suspects are eligible for cash rewards of up to $1,000 dollars.
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Kissimmee Police SWAT Team Ranked one of the Top 10 Teams in the World

Kissimmee, Fla. (November 15, 2013) – The Kissimmee Police Department’s SWAT Team placed 6th overall at the SWAT Round Up International Competition that took place this week at the Orange County Sheriff’s Office Gun Range in Orlando. 57 teams from around the United States and Europe competed at the event.

The competition included events such as a hostage rescue, tower scramble, officer rescue and an obstacle course. The Kissimmee team had the second best time in the obstacle course, being edged out by the team from Hungary. SWAT Round Up International celebrated its 31st year of competition. The week-long event included education and training seminars, a trade show along with the competition. The first SWAT Round Up Competition was held at the Kissimmee Police Department’s gun range 31 years ago.

Kissimmee’s SWAT team is a part-time specialty unit that has over 20 members, of those, eight (8) make up the competition team.
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Search Warrant Arrest – Narcotic Investigation St. Cloud, Fl – On November 15th, 2013, at about 0932 hours, members of the St. Cloud Police Department’s Investigative Services Division and the SWAT Team executed a search warrant at 801 Wisconsin Avenue; in regards to a narcotic investigation. During the execution of the search warrant, one of the suspects was found hiding in the attic. As a result, the SWAT team deployed chemical agents into the attic in an effort for the suspect to surrender to his arrest. At this time, two suspects have been arrested. Narcotics were located and seized inside the home. This is an ongoing “open” investigation; more information will be released at a later time when it becomes available. Report #02-13-005241. Earl Holmes
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Two Osceola School Administrators Recognized At State Level For Outstanding Leadership

Each year, the Florida Department of Education recognizes exemplary principals and assistant principals across the state for their contributions to their schools and communities. Recognition is given to school administrators who spearhead initiatives to increase student performance, promote safe learning environments, and establish partnerships with parents and community members. The following two Osceola administrators have been selected for recognition as 2013-2014 District Winners:

Principal Achievement Award for Outstanding Leadership - District Winner
Cynthia Mohen, Principal of Neptune Middle School

Outstanding Assistant Principal Achievement Award - District Winner
Marguerite Bowen, Assistant Principal of Lakeview Elementary School

“Both Mrs. Mohen and Mrs. Bowen are well deserving of this prestigious honor,” said Superintendent Melba Luciano. “I am extremely proud that they will be representing at the state level all of the amazing and dedicated school administrators we have in Osceola County.”

The state winners of the 2013-2014 Principal Achievement Award for Outstanding Leadership and the Outstanding Assistant Principal Achievement Award will be announced later in the fall.
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The Honorable Armando Ramírez, Clerk of the Circuit Court of Osceola County, held his Thanksgiving Giveaway, which took place at Unidos Supermarket on Simpson Road in Kissimmee, today, Thursday, November 21, 2013, at 9:00 a.m.
In his never-ending quest to help the community, Mr. Ramírez used his own money to purchase turkeys to give away to needy individuals and families throughout Osceola County. Mr. Ramírez told the public present at the event “I have a lot to be thankful for. I just wanted to give to those who could use a little help during this holiday season.”
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sceola County School Board Reorganization

At the November 19 meeting, the Osceola County School Board named a new Chairman and Vice Chair. Tim Weisheyer was appointed as Board Chair, and Kelvin Soto was made Vice Chair. School Board meetings were set for the first and third Tuesday of each month at 5:30 p.m. at the School District Administrative Complex, located at 817 Bill Beck Blvd. in Kissimmee.

Chairman Weisheyer was first elected to the Osceola School Board in 2012, and will also serve as the School Board’s Florida School Board Association’s Legislative Liaison this year. “I am honored to serve as the Chairman of the Osceola School Board and appreciative of the trust my fellow board members have placed in me,” said Chairman Tim Weisheyer. “As Chairman, I will continue to advocate for increased student achievement, greater parent and community involvement, sound school board policy-making coupled with fiscal discipline, and enhanced synergy with our community leaders. I am confident these elements will lend to the future success of our students, and the long-term economic success and vitality of Osceola County.”

Tim is the President/Broker of Dream Builders Realty, located in Osceola County. He has been a Realtor for more than 15 years, and is a Past President of the Osceola County Association of Realtors. Since making Osceola County his home in 1987, he has lived in the district he serves (District 3) for more than 26 years, and is a proud graduate of the Osceola School District. Tim is married to Pam, a life-long Osceola County resident, and he has two daughters, Christina and Kourtney.
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St. Cloud Parks and Recreation staff prepare for enjoyable holiday activities

St. Cloud, Fla. (November 20, 2013) – The City of St. Cloud Parks and Recreation staff are eagerly preparing for the upcoming holiday season. The following programs/events are offered to the community in December:
22nd Annual Tree Lighting Ceremony – Dec. 6, City Hall Courtyard (1300 9th St.); activities begin at 6 p.m. and program begins at 6:30 p.m. This traditional event includes games, musical entertainment, crafts, “snow,” concessions, and a visit from Santa and Mrs. Claus.
Movie at the Lakefront – Dec. 13, sunset: Despicable Me 2 (rated G), at Lakefront Park (1104 Lakeshore Blvd.). A family movie is shown every month on a giant inflatable movie screen. This year-round monthly program is free to the community.
Gardening Classes – Two Urban Agriculture Program Herbal Gardening classes are set for Dec. 11, 1-3 p.m., and Dec. 21, 10 a.m-12 p.m., at PegHorn Nature Park and Trail (2101 PegHorn Way). Students will learn how to properly garden with herbs and the simple uses of herbs. The cost of each class for people ages 14 and up is $8 per person and pre-registration at the Civic Center (3001 17th St.) is required.
Marina Building Banquet Hall – December features only one banquet hall open house Dec. 11 from 4-7 p.m. Visitors can see for themselves why the banquet hall is the best place to host special occasions, including wedding receptions, birthday celebrations, and business meetings. The Marina Building Banquet Hall is located at 1104 Lakeshore Blvd., second floor.
Youth Basketball – The Ron Riley Youth Basketball Winter League games begin Dec. 14, 8 a.m., at the Civic Center’s gyms A and B. Games end in March 2014.
“Get in the Dirt with Wirt” – This Urban Agriculture Program event will allow for children ages 7-11 years old to enjoy a trail walk and painting leaf impressions and terrariums. The class is set for Dec. 14, 1-3 p.m. The cost is $5 per child. Pre-registration at the Civic Center is encouraged.
Splash with Santa – Dec. 14, 2-5 p.m., Chris Lyle Aquatic Center (3001 17th St.), $3 for Osceola County residents; $4 for nonresidents of Osceola County. This event is for children ages 12 and younger. Santa Claus will arrive at 2 p.m. and attendees will enjoy crafts, games, and candy.
Cookies with Santa – This special event is set for Dec. 21, 10 a.m.-2 p.m., at the Civic Center, and the cost is $10 per child ages 6-11 (includes lunch). Children will be able to make a holiday gift for someone special in their lives while sharing milk and cookies with Santa Claus.
Winter Break Day Camps – All day camps begin at the Civic Center at 7 a.m. and all children should be picked up by 6 p.m. each day. Camp is for children ages 5 years old (must have completed kindergarten) and up to 14 years old. Day camp fees are $50 per child for Osceola County residents and $70 for nonresidents of Osceola County.
Week One: Dec. 23, 26, and 27; an optional field trip is scheduled for lunch Dec. 26; a walking field trip to Dairy Queen. The cost is $3 per child and includes a meal, beverage, and ice cream cone.
Week Two: Dec. 30 and 31 & Jan. 2 and 3, 2014; an optional field trip is scheduled for Jan. 2, 2014. A visit to The Ice Factory of Central Florida, $17.50 per child includes four hours of skating time and lunch (two slices of pizza and a beverage).
Cycling with Santa – This first-time event features a bicycle ride Dec. 28 starting at 7 a.m. on Lakeshore Boulevard. Registration begins right at 7 a.m. and riders start their ride at 9 a.m. Three routes will be offered: Short (22 miles), Intermediate (32 miles), and Long (52 miles). This event is open to all ages with a $35 fee per rider to benefit “Ride 2 Recovery”, which focuses on mental and physical rehabilitation programs for the nation’s wounded veterans and healing heroes.

For details on any Parks and Recreation activity, project, program, or rental facility, please visit the Parks and Recreation Web page at www.stcloud.org, e-mail ParksAndRecreation@stcloud.org, or call (407) 957-7243.
Note: Schedule is subject to change without advanced notice.
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Rating: 3.2 out of 99 votes cast

145 comments

Comment from: andy richardson [Member] Email
I like the looks of the charter school bill. Does it have any shot of making it past the lobbyists?
11/23/13 @ 21:56   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: DISMAY [Visitor]
I am appalled by the Osceola News-Gazette opinion section.
They had a cartoon of our president Obama riding a giant turkey saying GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE . Indicating he was trying to GOBBLE up The people that was not buying in to his insurance plan.
That sure was disrespectful.

11/23/13 @ 23:04   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
Carl

The News Gazette reported on the MLS agreement that will start in 2015 if the Orlando Soccer Team gets a MLS contract.

Now Tim will become the target of Wheeler.Tim has forgotten more about Roberts Rules than Wheeler actually knows.

11/24/13 @ 00:19   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Robertrules [Visitor]
While Mr Tim could be great, if his first meeting is what we have to look forward to, then not so good. Wheeler spoke out of turn and just went on and mr Tim allowed it. It remains to be seen if mr Tim will learn or enforce Robert rules
11/24/13 @ 06:16   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
Tim's first meeting. Holidays coming up.Hopefully he will let all the Board members know what his procedure will be for disrupting a meeting that is showing no respect to the Board and the people in the audience.

Wheeler's little world is off center.Developers are not flocking to his
campaign.Tim will be going to meetings as Chairman that Wheeler will no longer go to that soothes his ego.

Wheeler was acting child-like after not getting the Chairmanship again.How would they dare replace the most educated person on the Board? Horrors Cindy was elected twice.

Now the people in his district need to finish the job next year.

11/24/13 @ 08:52   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: What a suprise [Visitor]
@DISMAY

I'm sure you were equally disappointed when the media would disrespect President Bush
11/24/13 @ 10:23   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Joey [Visitor]
@ H.R.Puffenstuff: your comment was too courteous for Wheeler. While his entire world is off center, it really is Mr. Wheeler who has lost any kind of balance and is completely off center. In fact, I truly wonder, most times, if his little world is remotely close to the rest of "our" world.
11/24/13 @ 10:37   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Wildman2 [Visitor]
@Dismay

Don't ever look at Saturday Night Live.
11/24/13 @ 11:14   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: . [Visitor]
It’s how you do it or how you caption the political satire. Edgy has always been the norm, and the edge gets pushed back from year to year. It’s up to the people to draw a non-partisan line and defend it. Although usually when push comes to shove the push back gets harder.

@ Andy

I would say not a chance, the bill looks good though. If Florida was run off of common sense it would pass. Unfortunately for Florida that is not the case.
11/24/13 @ 12:36   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: :-O [Visitor]
How in the world could the BOCC give away OUR tax dollars, even if it is tourist tax dollars, to Orlando? Who made that motion? Who would go to a soccer game in west Orlando, then spend a night in a Kissimmee hotel, now being used to house unemployed families?

How in the world could even one BOCC member think we would approve a sales tax increase when they give truck loads of OUR tax dollars away. Now the Chairman admits we could be screwed on Sunrail in the paper.

What idiot would give Wheeler one penny for re-election? Everyone knows he plans on running for BOCC in 2016. He planned on resigning BEFORE he won last time and tried until he couldn't raise any money. What little he did get, he used to pay his legal bill from his ethics charges.

Tim may be chair, but Wheeler controls the board. Long is still fighting the fight, but it's a lost cause. He should do as Horn does, just sit silently and stare out into the audience.
11/24/13 @ 15:12   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Soothsayer [Visitor]
The Soccer Club will pay home games in Osceola county in 2014.

Plenty of good rooms in Osceola county.

Seminole county is in on the deal too.

Who cares who made the motion? The vote was 4-1.
11/24/13 @ 16:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Joey [Visitor]
@ :-O,

Read this article again, it is NOT tourist tax dollars being used because it would be illegal for the county to spend those dollars outside of where they were collected. Nope, these are OUR dollars from the GENERAL FUND, right where OUR property taxes go into!

@soothsayer; the games will be in a small part of Osceola County, inside Disney's World of Sports! The only money to be made will be on the extreme West end of 192 IF anyone stays over before, or after a game, or both.

Seminole jumped into the deal because of the Orlando Soccer's promise to construct a practice facility, for themselves, in Seminole County.

It's good to know who votes for or against no matter what the vote is on. While Carl didn't say, it was Fred Hawkins who made the motion for the deal. John Q was the only vote against but, sitting there and watching a very brief conversation between him and Mr Hawkins, it's clear to me, and everyone else in the room, that Q had no idea on what he just voted against. Watch the tape, it's there for all to view. Had he known it would have been 5-0 but, that said, it's still a very raw deal for Osceola taxpayers, especially when the BOCC will be coming to the taxpayer/voters asking for more tax money!
11/24/13 @ 17:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: UNBELIVEABLE [Visitor]
UNBELIVEABLE is a word that is overused. but in the case of giving Orlando $ 1,000,000. DOLLARS now that is super UNBELIVEABLE.Who do the commissioners think they are ORANGE COMMISSIONERS? Why would they do that give away one MILLION DOLLARS. SOMEONE please answer that. With west 192/535 dieing on the vine. CHARTY starts at home. OR was there a brown bag under the table?
11/24/13 @ 17:40   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Really? [Visitor]
@Joey. Thanks for clearing up where the money comes from. Why the hell would Fred Hawkins motion to Give $1 million of OUR money to Orlando so a few practise game next year on Disney property? He certainly is NOT representing his district or the county taxpayers. We must not forget this, as well as other bad votes he pulled when he runs again. No matter what he runs for.

I am so fed up with all these crooks, thiefs, liars and horn-dogs in office. They get caught with crack and get a slap on the wrist. One gets caught threatening his wife with his gun, now he's running again and domestic violence is his platform. One claims to be a fiscal conservative and demands we pay his ethics legal bills.
11/24/13 @ 18:56   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Soothsayer [Visitor]
@Really

The Rep arrested received the same time as any other first time violator. No deal.

Carlos did his time and ran for office again and lost.

Wheeler didn't get his $15,000 in legal fees paid.The law allowed him to ask for the money and the School Board ignored his request.

There was nothing illegal about giving the City of Orlando money for the construction of a soccer stadium for a MLS team.

The arguement was that 40% of the sales and gas taxes paid into the General Fund come from Tourists. You will hear more of that when the Fiddler comes for his money for SunRail.How lucky we are!

11/25/13 @ 00:49   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
The money for the soccer stadium starts Jan 2015.

Carl has provided a link to the agreement for all to read.

My concern is the roll of the dice for TDT and sales taxes.Were they puffed up like the benefits for the Washington Nationals were? We aim to please report.

The county receipts from the Tourist taxes are reaching pre recession totals.
Much of the credit goes to short term and time share rentals.

Dec.16 will be the day the BOCC makes the decision to outsource the marketing to the Kissimmee Chamber Of Commerce.
11/25/13 @ 08:52   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
What was puffed about the Nationals was the figures Brian Wong and the Kissimmee Chamber put out. Also 20 million a year is still the number Brevard is using for what they bring in and are still praying to keep them for the next 20 years. Osceola BOCC totally dropped the ball on that one for the sake of a few at the Kissimmee Chamber.

Wong should have disciplined for inappropriately speaking out on that and for his role in privatizing our marketing to the failing Kissimmee branch of the association called the Chamber of Commerce.

@ Soothsayer

The Republican state Rep arrested should have got the minimum six months in jail. Don't know why you missed that he took a generous plea.
11/25/13 @ 09:50   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
@Weboxlies

Is Brevard building the Nationals a new Stadium as that was the reason they wanted to leave. It was build a new stadium or no deal for Osceola. They county could have made improvements for $25 million to the Astros Stadium but the Nationals said no.

We still have the Braves playing in Osceola county without paying for the Stadium debt.

The people that went to the final meeting were in the majority that spoke against the project.

The county is working with USSSA to start using the stadium the days the Astros vacate.
11/25/13 @ 10:27   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
No the Nationals signed a 30-year deal somewhere else.

Brevard promised to spend $29 million to renovate the space cost stadium if the Nationals agreed to sign a new 20-year deal.
11/25/13 @ 10:52   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
The people were misinformed by the Kissimmee branch of the Chamber of Commerce when they spoke out against it and used unverified (made up) figures. The Kissimmee Chambers paper the News/Gazette ran the same stories while they ran stories of praise for Mark Miller and his Arabian Nights. Who just happened to be the biggest opponent of the stadium while he intern ran full page ads for his Arabian Nights.

Not a chance the people of the community were going to get proper representation on that or any other issue in the county for that matter.

One of the Chambers Commissioners is so stupid he doesn't even know what he is voting on. Another one is so stupid he thinks he can be a local branch President of the Chamber of Commerce and vote to help members of the same legally bound association.

While the city of Kissimmee takes steps to fire the Chamber for poor representation the county is trying to funnel them more money by privatizing to them our (mine and your) CVB.

This goes hand in hand with the treatment the Nationals got. Even if they could have negotiated it down they didn't want all that money tied up in a stadium project that they couldn't funnel off of. Had that passed the BOCC would have had to fill that empty position and would have to say it would be a bad time to gift them our CVB.

Who to watch, Mike Horner, Fred Hawkins, Brandon Arrington and Brian Wong. Commissioner Arrington is pushing really hard for Privatizing the CVB. Joun will just vote for whatever he is told to so long as he can keep it straight in his head.

Another asset of the People's to be lost. Most of us are trying to pry the Chamber of Commerce out, not give them a shiny new anchor.
11/25/13 @ 11:32   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
SHow me where the Nats signed a 30 year deal? They are in-fact still talking to everyone including Brevard, b-cus their incredible draw to (this year all of a massive 14!!!!! spring training games). is such an economic incentive UGH


And it really is becoming a shame that one person is allowed to chime in under multiple names... not fooling anyone SYbil...



11/25/13 @ 11:48   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
Just do google search Poo Poo.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/will-nationals-stay-or-go-brevard-commission-waits/nb2xT/

"Eyewitness News learned one major league team responded to the county but that team said it had already signed a 30-year deal somewhere else."
11/25/13 @ 11:53   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
"Eyewitness News learned one major league team responded to the county but that team said it had already signed a 30-year deal somewhere else."

That Was not referring to the Nationals.
11/25/13 @ 11:55   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
The County attorney has advised the BOCC that Comm.Hawkins can vote on Kissimmee Chamber items in that he does not have any personal financial ties to the Kissimmee Chamber Of Commerce.

An attorney for the State Of Florida is in agreement.

No one has filed an Ethics Commission Conflict Of Interest complaint concerning this matter.
11/25/13 @ 11:56   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
It's simple math

Space Coast stadium capacity for nats spring training

7,200

2013 avg attendance for 16 games

5,329

Economic impact ACCORDING TO THE LIE ABOVE

$20,000,000

5,329 x 14 games this year =

74,606

Average amount needed to be spent by every single person in attendance every single game to reach $20,000,000

$268.07

*That even any time was spent on going after these slugs (not sluggers), is shameful

BTW -The Astros avg attendance was $3,350. No one gives a flying f--- about coming to this part of Kissimmee for spring training.

11/25/13 @ 12:02   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
@ H.R. Puffenstuff

Prove that

"An attorney for the State Of Florida is in agreement."

I have spoken with attorneys that say the opposite. Also a former member of the Florida ethics commission.

It’s pretty cut and dried in the statutes, that and there has never been an opinion given on anything like this situation. We all know the current county attorney is a joke.
11/25/13 @ 12:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
SOme horrible reading comprehension above from some--(the same guy too)

1) "No the Nationals signed a 30-year deal somewhere else."

WRONG- Brevard was told by ANOTHER team -and of course no names were given any way...as they perhaps look for someone to replace the Nats, that THAT team--NOT THE NATS already signed elsewhere.

2) The Rep arrested received the same time as any other first time violator. No deal.

WRONG- besides it being a plea deal, had it been a working or unemployed stiff or minority see what the record of sentencing is--CLUELESS

3)Wheeler didn't get his $15,000 in legal fees paid.The law allowed him to ask for the money and the School Board ignored his request.

NO ONE EVER SAID he paid his legal fees from money given to him from the SB...they said he used his campaign contributions.

SOme are so fast to just say NO- Hmm wonder what party does that--and unable to listen--they just embarrass themselves more. The put the ass in embarass.



11/25/13 @ 12:10   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
@ ugotthatright

I don't give two craps about baseball or the stadium other then the politics behind it. The figures were something like 89 or 98 million to build it. A million a year in expenses and they are not the team from Texas and bring in a documented 20 million a year. A 30 year contract. It would have been great for Kissimmee and had the county negotiated and done it then great for Kissimmee. Nothing had to come out of the general fund. That was another of those things that could have been worked out if they wanted to go for it.

I personally see baseball a dying sport. So just like I said back then, it was what it was. But what it was, was a shining example of BS politics.

I am also looking forward to the Astro's leaving they are a burden on the community.

Brian Nolen did resign over the politics involved at the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce at that same time. Don’t be daft and start putting it together. Start with who is actually running the Kissimmee branch of the Chamber of Commerce and calling the shots.
11/25/13 @ 12:32   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
@ ugotthatright

These are the same people trying to privatize our CVB "Liberal". It’s all tied together. This one looks like it comes with a bow.

Problem for them is Hawkins cannot vote on it to be privatized to his association, the Chamber of Commerce.

If you don't know Fred is an active paid Chamber of Commerce president. They are trying to pretend that the Chamber of Commerce is not legally defined in the Florida Statutes as an association. That makes it so fast Freddy can’t vote in anything that financially involves the associations members. For now they are playing stupid about it and letting their attorney Andrew Mai take the fall for it.

See better then baseball.
11/25/13 @ 12:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
The Board Of Directors call the shots at the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce. There is no secret council.

The cost of the new baseball stadium was $174 Million as reported in the Washington Post.That became the deal breaker.

No other city has sent a "Come Here" letter to the Nationals.
11/25/13 @ 13:31   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
State Rep. Radel potentially faced 180 days jail time and a fine of $1,000.

What he did was took a plea bargain with the federal prosecutor for one year of probation and a short stint in rehab. If Radel successfully completes probation, the conviction will be cleared from his record like it never happened. He did no jail time; you and I would not have gotten that deal. Well maybe if you were an elected official. Think about it, the elected are supposed to set the example and be held to higher standards. Do you think the generous plea bargain he took set the example of being kept to higher standards and zero tolerance?

@ H.R. Puffenstuff

It was 98 million to build the stadium. That was the cost. As was reported by all and is the official number that was given to the project. The Chamber added the rest and the News/Gazette ran the story for them.
11/25/13 @ 14:02   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Wildman2 [Visitor]
Why are we talking about Washington National again?

The Kissimmee Chamber is made up of mostly companies that have an office in the county.This is not the "evil empire".
Every contract they have with the county is public record.It was explained that the BOCC had used outside marketing before.I guess this is going back to the future. The fees went out of state.
11/25/13 @ 14:27   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: WeBxOxLieS [Visitor]
@ H.R. Puffenstuff

The Board runs the Chamber so that’s why its members have dropped liked flies off a bug zapper.

Because The Board is running themselves off. No kidding. Well with Mark McHugh as chairman that seems very logical.

Exactly, no secret council. Some call it the Cigar Club when you count some of the elected. You and I agree on this and just call it the Chamber of Commerce.
11/25/13 @ 14:36   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Whatever [Visitor]
When I think of the chambers role in the stadium a classic quote from someone who knew comes to mind.

”If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

I also do not think it is a coincidence that the same thing is coming for the CVB. Again starting with that Brian Wong on the TDC. The same people involved less one Nolan.
11/25/13 @ 15:14   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Stay Tuned Tomorrow [Visitor]
The Washington Nationals are expected to announce their decision, to extend or not to extend, some time tomorrow. Brevard stands tall with their original offer and the Nationals are finding out other counties simply don't want them. Too much cost for the taxpayers, and very little money coming back, no matter what the Nationals try to sell them!.
11/25/13 @ 16:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: No [Visitor]
It’s the Brevard tourism board and the Commissioners that have stated over and over that the Nationals bring them 20 million a year not the Nationals. The Nationals got spoiled with their new stadium in DC and wanted another and Rick Scott offered the money to potentially make it happen. They just needed a county that had the tourist tax to pull it off and we did.

Idle threats from Brevard they are at the Nationals mercy. It’s Brevard that wants them to stay. I am sure the Nationals owner knows how to negotiate and after getting the FU from Osceola they may rethink their relationship with Brevard for a short time but I doubt they will sign a 20 lease. They really have until 2016 to make that decision to leave or stay when the contract ends with Brevard in 2017.

The owner of the nationals and Brevard had already stated that if they were to finish out the contract (till 2017) that the stadium needs work in order for that to happen. They may be able to stay and stick Brevard with some repairs per contract while they look and consider other options. Brevard should be OK with that because as they stated its 20 million a year.
11/25/13 @ 18:28   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
Next Spring there will still be 2 Baseball teams in Osceola county to get ready for the 2014-15 baseball season.

11/25/13 @ 21:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Wildman2 [Visitor]
What is the downside of the Kissimmee Chamber Of Commerce getting a contract to do marketing for the CVB?

Of the Kissimmee and St Cloud Chambers are really one all the same Association why does a person have to pay to join each one?
11/26/13 @ 09:14   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Too Silly [Visitor]
The county is NOT considering the Kissimmee Chamber to do the CVB marketing.

The BCC is considering whether to create a private CVB like they have in Orange County and in most major tourist areas or keep the CVB a department of County government.

The idea of using the Kissimmee Chamber was discarded months ago when the Kissimmee Chamber told the County they were not interested in the contract.
11/26/13 @ 10:22   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
One downside is if you look at Chambers board of directors you will see where most of the advertising will be spent.

Another is its a regulated asset of the people's that will be gifted off to an ailing and disgraced non profit who could use it to help their members almost exclusively. They could also use it as a way to influence people to become members.

The Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce has been steady loosing members to the point that if it wasn't for all the government welfare they receive they would be out of business at its current location. I will say it this way. The building they are in is way too big for them right now since they have half the members they used to.

If they are on such shaky ground and leaderless why should they be eligible for anything.

The fact they never let Horner Go also should deter any government agency from dealing with them.

Bad decision makers at the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce.

11/26/13 @ 10:36   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Too Silly

Many a moon ago the Chamber lobbied to have it specifically say in the statutes that they (the Chamber of Commerce Association) can run the CVB's using the tax money. Yes it does say other private entities can also but names them specifically. The Kissimmee Chamber will set up an off shout board under their umbrella like they do with everything else when they funnel tax money of the Government.

It is too silly but we let them do it.
11/26/13 @ 10:50   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Wildman2

I forgot to answer the later question.

If "the Kissimmee and St Cloud Chambers are really one all the same Association why does a person have to pay to join each one?"

More advertising or connections (that is supposed to be the Chambers purpose but they made it lobbying/politics a long time ago) and more money for the Association and extra pull in the county by having a say at both individually. Internal politics. The more money a business gives the more say. At the Kissimmee Chamber Disney have two people or seats on the Board of directors. They pay more and get more control.

Our two branches of the Chamber of Commerce are members of the Association by individual contract with the state.
11/26/13 @ 11:28   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
@ Well

Many smaller towns and cities had the local chamber of commerce as their tourist offices. That is why chambers were included if the county did not want to have a CVB in the original law.

The Kissimmee Chamber has been getting money since 1977. During that time I don't know of any money being spent outside the scope of the contract.

I am not a member so I don't know if their membership is down since the Horner incident. I don't know of any local government agency that dropped their memberships this year.
11/26/13 @ 11:40   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
@ Well

What agency of the state does each Chamber of Commerce have a contract with?
11/26/13 @ 11:43   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ H.R. Puffenstuff

When St Cloud broke away and created their own bylaws that made them associated with the Chamber of Commerce association. They even put in their bylaws that no elected can be the President. They did this because when they left they said it was in part because the Kissimmee branch with Mike Horner at the helm was too political. But St Cloud even broke their own Bylaws or contract with the state and hired Commissioner Fred Hawkins anyway when they realized they cannot survive without the government teat.

Since the Association pays Commissioner Hawkins a salary that he admitted to in the paper, he now can no longer vote on any issue that would give tax dollars or could potentially help financially any of his Associations members. It doesn't matter what branch the associate is a member of. So long as that branches bylaws are registered with the state legally making them all associated as the Chamber of Commerce. It’s very simple and clearly written in the Florida Statutes.

Commissioner Fred Hawkins has been voting with members of his Association for a while now. Every time he votes for Chamber of Commerce members and doesn't recant himself it is against the law and he knows it.
11/26/13 @ 12:01   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
Should be later with Mike Horner at the helm.
11/26/13 @ 12:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: This again? [Visitor]
@Well is at it again with a new name but with the same BS.

He just keeps repeating the same lies over and over again after they have been proven wrong until people don't even bother correcting him anymore.

@Well please file a complaint if you think Hawkins has a conflict. You won't because it has been proven that he does not.
11/26/13 @ 12:28   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Have to be careful [Visitor]
People are afraid to file a complaint against Hawkins. Even Chamber members are afraid. He can be a very vindictive person. You should also know that he plays good cop bad cop with Betty Damke. She does his dirty work for him.
11/26/13 @ 12:37   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ This again?

What has been proven over and over is that he is in violation. No one has proven otherwise because it is in the statutes that he cannot vote as it clearly a conflict.

Name the lies. I didn't make the laws that he is supposed to follow.

So prove it wrong or make a valid point.

@ Have to be careful

Betty Damke can call me as many names as she wants it doesn't affect me at all.
11/26/13 @ 12:48   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
@Well

So what you are saying is the Chamber of Commerce does not have a contract with the state that spells out every member belongs to an Association Of Florida Chambers of Commerce regulated by the state?
11/26/13 @ 12:48   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: This again? [Visitor]
@Well

Either file a complaint or shut up.

Your either a liar or a coward.
11/26/13 @ 13:05   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ H.R. Puffenstuff

No obviously the opposite. It’s very simple. They are defined in the statutes as an Association they get to use the Chamber of Commerce name and legally be a part of the Association by their state registered bylaws.

They lobbied for all this so you and I cannot just use the name and sucker members to join a non associated group.
11/26/13 @ 13:06   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ This again?

Prove I am a liar. Or perhaps it’s you who should shut up and not try and stop people from being informed of what is going on.

This is extremely relevant with the upcoming CVB vote.

So again prove that I am lying and try to do it with less name calling and use some facts. It automatically makes you look wrong when you just belittle.

This has everything you need to know, good luck I hope for his sake you find something so you can come back and prove that Commissioner Hawkins is not in conflict with the law.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/
11/26/13 @ 13:21   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Chamber Member [Visitor]
I hope I am doing this right. I am not familiar with this blog, but it looks very interesting.

As a Chamber member, I would like to see, in writing, a statement by Fred's attorney saying that there is no conflict of interest. This question is getting a lot of interest in the community. I have received a couple of emails and one facebook message telling me to check out this blog. Mr. Hawkins, please give the community the information they are requesting or resign from one position or the other. We were all a bit suspicious at first, but Mr. Hawkins assured us that there was no conflict. Based on the comments here, I am seriously beginning to wonder. I also did not realize that Fred is not as highly respected in the community as I once thought. I will be visiting here often. Betty has always been very nice to me. I guess maybe she has a side I did not know about.
11/26/13 @ 14:04   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Wildman2 [Visitor]
The St Cloud Chamber of Commerce is not involved in the CVB marketing study. They have not asked for a piece if the action.

I tend to take the county attorney's written opinion that Comm. Hawkins does not have a financial conflict with the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce.Hence he will vote on the proposal.If he does not vote and does not have a conflict he will be in violation of the law.

11/26/13 @ 14:06   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
@ Chamber Member

As a Chamber member Fred certainly knows you so why not ask him to provide it the letter you would like to see.

Has your membership improved since Fred became the Director?
11/26/13 @ 14:29   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: LOL [Visitor]
@ Chamber Member & Wildman2

Commissioner Fred Hawkins Jr. has taken a full time position with the Chamber of Commerce Association as President of the St. Cloud Chapter. This job is in clear violation of Florida Ethics (ss. 112.311-112.326). He cannot vote with any Chamber or Association members request or potential projects since he is paid to be a County Commissioner by the tax payers and he is also paid from the Chamber of Commerce. That paid position also includes money from the same tax payer’s paid in as dues to the Chamber of Commerce along with all the other Association members.

There is an existing Attorney General opinion CEO 89-29 -- July 27, 1989 in that opinion it can be opined that he cannot serve both paid positions and not be in conflict while funding his Association with Tax dollars.

That is the same opinion he and the county attorney Andrew Mia tried to use to say he could take the position. They didn’t think anyone would actually look into it. Or they were honestly too thick to understand the opinion and what it meant for them.
11/26/13 @ 14:31   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Chamber Member

It has been vetted on this site in the past and the best the Chamber or Hawkins supporters could come up with is it OK because they say it is.

A Poster that used the handle "Kissimmee old Timer" even called the Kissimmee branch to ask them if the claim of the Chamber of Commerce is associated is true.

He was told that as far as they knew they are not an Association.

That was the closest anyone came to proving that Hawkins could vote without conflict with the Associations members except for the fact that they are defined in the Florida Statutes as an Association, everyone knows that. They even define an Association by using the Chamber of Commerce as an example.

A key thing to also know is that in the bylaws that St Cloud used to create their branch of the Association and when Commissioner Hawkins was hired by them to be President it clearly stated that no elected official was allowed to have that position.

It would appear that the St Cloud chapter of the Chamber of Commerce has no idea what the bylaws are supposed to represent.
11/26/13 @ 14:54   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
If Hawkins is in violation of the law don't you think one of the complainers would have filed a complaint with the Ethics Commission?

The County Commission would pay for his defense if found innocent.

If the complaint was not factual Hawkins could ask the person pay his fees rather than the taxpayers via the BOCC.

The fact that no one has filed a complaint is pretty much proof that the accusations here are pretty well dreamed up. Good political chatter.
11/26/13 @ 16:14   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: This again? [Visitor]
@Well
How has it been "proven over and over again?" I guess missed the complaints that were filed and a judge upheld.

File a complaint, otherwise you are just another troll spewing BS.

@Chamber Member
The County Attorney ruled Hawkins was not in violation. No one will file a complaint because it would be without merit.
11/26/13 @ 16:29   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ This again?

Prove this below statement wrong. It’s been posted several times and no one has been able to do it. Again just because you say so doesn't make it so, the law makes it so.

Commissioner Fred Hawkins Jr. has taken a full time position with the Chamber of Commerce Association as President of the St. Cloud Chapter. This job is in clear violation of Florida Ethics (ss. 112.311-112.326). He cannot vote with any Chamber or Association members request or potential projects since he is paid to be a County Commissioner by the tax payers and he is also paid from the Chamber of Commerce. That paid position also includes money from the same tax payer’s paid in as dues to the Chamber of Commerce along with all the other Association members.

There is an existing Attorney General opinion CEO 89-29 -- July 27, 1989 in that opinion it can be opined that he cannot serve both paid positions and not be in conflict while funding his Association with Tax dollars.

That is the same opinion he and the county attorney Andrew Mia tried to use to say he could take the position. They didn’t think anyone would actually look into it. Or they were honestly too thick to understand the opinion and what it meant for them.


"The fact that no one has filed a complaint is pretty much proof that the accusations here are pretty well dreamed up. Good political chatter."

That is an opinion just like the rest of your post. The same to you from the above comment to "This again?". Prove the statement wrong. Because you wish and hope he is not in violation doesn't mean he is not.

This is the opinion the used to say its ok. See if you can figure out why it is not.

http://www.ethics.state.fl.us/opinions/89/CEO%2089-029.htm
11/26/13 @ 16:58   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Ghost Writer

I forgot to direct this part of the post at you

""The fact that no one has filed a complaint is pretty much proof that the accusations here are pretty well dreamed up. Good political chatter."

That is an opinion just like the rest of your post. The same to you from the above comment to "This again?". Prove the statement wrong. Because you wish and hope he is not in violation doesn't mean he is not.

This is the opinion they used to say its OK. See if you can figure out why it is not."

http://www.ethics.state.fl.us/opinions/89/CEO%2089-029.htm

I would rather educate and inform, what people do with the information provided is up to them. But please fact check away. I love a spirited discussion, that’s how we learn and grow.
11/26/13 @ 17:14   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: This again? [Visitor]
@Well

You are not "educating and informing" anyone, you are lying to them.

You would have to be a fool to believe an anonymous blog troll like @Well knows better than the County Attorney.

If Hawkins is wrong file a complaint. You won't do it because you know it will be deemed frivolous.

If Hawkins has does something wrong why won't you file a complaint?
11/26/13 @ 18:04   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
@ Well

You are on point concerning Hawkins and the St Cloud Chamber By-Laws. The state doesn't approve them. The members have chosen to ignore them because Hawkins has been a success in attracting new members.

Trying to use the word "Association" to connect Hawkins and the Kissimmee Chamber doesn't work at all.

Yet..you complain and do nothing. You can live anywhere in Florida and file an Ethics complaint. The only cost is your time. You even don't have to go to
Tallahassee when the hearing is held-if it gets that far.

Midget took a shot at Hawkins and the BOCC and lost. At least she took the shot.
11/26/13 @ 19:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: andy richardson [Member] Email
Why does a citizen have to jump directly to an ethics complaint when the crux of the matter will come down to a legal opinion? There should be a way to petition for a legal opinion from an entity not connected to the BOCC or the Chamber.
11/26/13 @ 20:54   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Another Chamber Member [Visitor]
I am a longtime member of the St. Cloud Chamber. I just want say that I think Fred is doing a great job. The Chamber has really taken off under his leadership!

FYI, the Chamber did not break its bylaws, the Chamber Board amended them to let Fred serve. Changing the bylaws is no big deal.

Thank you Fred Hawkins! Don't listen to the haters, we appreciate the great job you are doing at the Chamber and on the County Commission.
11/26/13 @ 20:58   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Tom Jenkins [Visitor]
People like @Well remind me of the Birthers who attack President Obama saying that he was not born in the US. They are irrational and won't accept anything as proof. After a a few hours of Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck spewing mumbo jumbo the weak minded will believe anything.

Obama gave them his birth certificate but they still keep repeating tired talking points to create a debate where one shouldn't exist.

Commissioner Hawkins doesn't have to prove a thing. One should't have to answer outrageous anonymous claims. He asked the County Attorney before he took the job if their was a conflict and the answer was a clear no conflict.

All @Well is doing is trying to drag a good man down with false attacks.
11/26/13 @ 21:11   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: UNBELIVEABLE [Visitor]
Thanksgiving is coming thank you Fred for giving these wood be lawyers something to spew about sides other than JAY WHEELER I am sick of arm chair lawyers talk about JAY WHEELER.
Now that you have beat FRED to death find someone new to beat up.
Beat up on LA-FRONK or EL-Q for a while.
HOW bout the TWO MILLION DOLLARS the county is spending on the road to the new SHOOTING RANGE the state of FLORIDA is building six miles south of HOLOPAW. Across from FREDS dump that is going to be 300 feet high.
How bout something new.
WHY is Osceola county spending $ 2,000,0000. on a state project. WHY /
11/26/13 @ 22:49   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Richard Wolf [Visitor]
@Andy

The county attorney has advised Comm Hawkins that he does not have a voting conflict after a citizen complained to Comm Hawkins after he took the job with the St Cloud Chamber.

Any citizen can "appeal" the decision by the attorney by the attorney to the Ethics Commission. As part of the appeal-a complaint-a copy of the county attorney's memo will have to be included with any other points such as past Ethics Commission and Attorney General Opinions.Those opinions might not reflect the law today but another time when written.

The system works but it still takes a complaint in 2013 with the Ethics Commission. A citizen can not ask for an opinion from the Attorney General.

The blogger refuses to take the next step or he has and didn't like the answer he received.
11/27/13 @ 07:29   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
County attorney Mai used this opinion CEO 89-29 -- July 27, 1989 to justify Hawkins paid position at the Chamber. The opinion does not apply to this situation.

Some key elements are different, that opinion does not apply to Hawkins it’s a different situation.

You can anonymously scream on line that I am wrong all you want. But that doesn't prove it. When this gets brought up that’s all one or two of you do. You don't read the statutes you don't read the opinion they used. You just call me names.

I am correct. By law the position Commissioner Hawkins took at the st cloud Chamber is is in conflict with his elected position according to ss. 112.311-112.326

The Florida Statutes say that the organization the Chamber of Commerce is an Association and is protected as such. That makes all branches legally associated.

The bylaws were emended after I brought it to their attention on this site. When Hawkins was hired it was in the Bylaws that no elected was to have that position.

He was also took $1000 from the person lobbying Osceola for LSSI and voted against the majority that came out to fight the outsourcing or privatizing of our libraries. Hawkins was the swing vote that made that happen against the peoples wishes. It’s happening again.

There is a trend hear. Praise him all you won’t but he is the most questionable out of all of them.

Mai doesn't give rulings he is not a judge he gives opinions and this one wasn't done from the dais. Unfortunately for poor family man Andrew Mai he gets to take the fall for Hawkins if he is not careful.

Let’s use your berther type logic on this. Since Mai and Hawkins didn't ask for an opinion and tried to use one that doesn't apply to his situation this must mean that they know he is not allowed to vote with his Association and he excepted a job that is in conflict with his elected position, as I have proven without any reasonable retaliation. Other than you calling me names and trying to blog the loudest about it. It’s you that just says the same thing over and over.

It’s OK for Hawkins because we and he say it is.

The News Gazette even lied for him about it. They asked the question

"Do you think Osceola County Commissioner Fred Hawkins Jr. was a good pick for president of the St. Cloud Greater Osceola Chamber of Commerce?"

The results were No from the people. I was disappointed won over Good choice, yet in the next paper they ran phony results on the front page that had Good choice beating out what the people voted. The people that read the gazette said No that it was disappointing. You can go back and see the con for yourselves.

So pick any talking point mentioned and discus it if you want to further converse about it. If you don't fine but you didn't earn the right to name call and say I am a liar.

You have to do better than because you say so.

11/27/13 @ 10:25   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Well

You seem to forget Comm Hawkins is into his second term.The library system is working.

When you are proven wrong you continue to stand by your reading of the law to make it fit your lame attack on Comm Hawkins.

You don't like Brian Wong because he is Chinese American.

You don't like the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce because of Horner and their stand against the Washington Nationals.

The News/Gazette is a paid member of the Chamber of Commerce so they are a lap dog.

To this day I think you live in another state and got on this blog when the Chinese were going to develop a project in Osceola county.That is a good reason you have a vague idea how government works in Osceola county with the BOCC.

That's why you haven't filed a complaint with the Ethics Commission.

11/27/13 @ 11:04   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
Karl Roach

When was I proven wrong?

11/27/13 @ 11:21   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Well

Does it matter when you were proven wrong? You are in complete denial.
11/27/13 @ 12:18   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
Yes it matters. In order for me to be wrong I actually have to be wrong. Since you are so confident prove me wrong.
11/27/13 @ 12:27   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: This Again [Visitor]
@Well

I will take the County Attorney's professional opinion over your crackpot ranting.

File an official complaint or shut up.

You are either a liar or coward, probably both.
11/27/13 @ 13:52   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
So for now my talking points still stand as true.
Then you don't know the County attorney and haven't followed his job. You may be able to ignore that he is three votes away from unemployment but he cannot. He does at least understand the board he represents. That’s better than a portion of you.

So I am a racist, coward, liar from out of state that has no idea how Osceola politics works. We cab add that to the rest of the names you call me. Sorry to disappoint but I have been on this site longer then some of you and have been called worse. As far as Brian Wong goes I watch his boards meetings. He could be a purple alien from the next solar system, a Caucasian, Black or Hispanic doesn’t change that he is out of line and a liar for the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce. His apologizing to Hawkins was a ridiculous tell of what is playing out in the county. Along with his shout out to Mike Horner shows he is using that position inappropriately regardless his apology. Wasn’t it Arrington who originally appointed him?

Fine since all any of you have are ridiculous accusations against me, the person paying attention to what is going on and you will not debate the actual circumstances and the law surrounding Mr. Hawkins, let’s move on for now. Just know that some of your love affairs with Commissioner Hawkins are obvious and it’s also obvious that for a couple of you he can do no wrong and his shit smells like roses. Continue for now enjoying his bouquet.

We could talk about Commissioner John Quinones as "UNBELIVEABLE" wishes. Obviously Joan Q. doesn't read the agenda. It would also seem apparent that he doesn't pay attention at his pre-meeting, meeting with the county manager since he doesn't know what he is voting on with the BOCC. It would also appear that he doesn't care enough to be a good Commissioner.

So who then is pulling his strings? It could appear that he is just another Tool for the Kissimmee Chamber and/or he is just a really dumb person. Either one, could just say a bad Commissioner. Some say he is even a worse attorney and mediator. So why is he running basically un-opposed? And why does he get so much Chamber members support? Wouldn’t that lead you to believe that the Chamber and its Q. supporting members approve of his un-orthodox voting style? Why do you suppose they would do that?

You all have a great Thanksgiving and remember to hug your family and friends.
11/27/13 @ 14:35   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Boogeyman [Visitor]
Hey Bitter Betty. You ready for your boy to go down? Better ask him if he is.
11/27/13 @ 15:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Tom Jenkins [Visitor]
Just like a birther @Well rejects the facts and states without any merit that he is right and the legal professionals are wrong. No evidence is good enough for him. No legitimate source is as credible as his fevered imagination. There is always an excuse that the experts are compromised and an anonymous blogger too afraid to make an official complaint is right.
11/27/13 @ 16:19   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
When you file an Ethics Commission complaint only the person that filed and the person he filed against knows.

An attorney reviews the complaint and if there is enough factual evidence an investigator will come to the county and go over the complaint. Then he will go to the public official and interview him.

Then he goes to the agency attorney and gets their viewpoint.

Back in Tallahassee it is reviewed and if the complaint meets the law its then put on the closed session of the Ethics Commission. If they reject the staff advice you will get a letter and so will the person you filed against. The complaint becomes public record.
11/27/13 @ 17:38   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Marla L. McNear [Visitor]
....keeping the Ferentinos Family in my prayers this holiday and every day.

Sandy Feretinos's shocking passing has left many grieving. But, her love for and dedication to her family no doubt leaves them with much in which to be thankful. My prayer is that she will be very close to them tomorrow as they struggle to make sense of it all and take things day by day.

God bless!!

11/27/13 @ 23:12   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
Good news for the Governor!

Raised over $5 Million compared to $1.7 million by Crist.

Good news for the St Cloud Chamber of Commerce as they have over 500 members.
11/29/13 @ 10:57   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Con-artists with horses [Visitor]
Arabian nights is out of business.

It’s a conflict and the county attorney can’t do anything about it without the fear of losing his job.
11/29/13 @ 23:49   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
Arabian Nights will close in December putting 240 people out of work.10 Million visitors went through the attraction.

Gave a lot of OHS grads a great send off.
11/30/13 @ 07:40   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
All it would take is one person to file a complaint against Comm Hawkins concerning the possible Conflict of Interest with the Florida Commission On Ethics.

The county attorney and the BOCC see no conflict.If filed this week they could get a result back within 30 days.
11/30/13 @ 08:21   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Wildman2 [Visitor]
@ Karl

Quit wasting your time with "Well" and the Ethics Commission.

When I lived in Tallahassee 4 years ago we had a "Well" on the Tallahassee Democrat Blog.Every politician was a crook etc. What did he do? Nothing.

How can anyone but him be happy that Arabian Nights is closing because the company belongs to the Kissimmee Chamber and in his mind all the members are crooked that don't support his political views like on the Washington Nationals.
11/30/13 @ 10:44   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
All it should have taken was for Hawkins to tell Mai to get an opinion instead of saying let’s figure out how we can make this happen. All he did was say he wasn't in conflict and hoped that none of you would read the statutes that clearly state that he is. Mai is damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

Mark Miller was a political nightmare who tried to control anything from going in that he thought would bring down his ticket sales. All the Dipshit had to do was lower his ticket prices to the public. $70 was too much and he failed because of it. He sold the tickets for $25 to the timeshare people to use for gimmicks while selling the gimmicky timeshares. The $70 a ticket was so that the people with the gifted tickets from the timeshares thought they were getting a good free deal just for checking out a timeshare. It was bad or just plain stupid business to try and rip people off with inflated ticket prices while the majority of the people at the dinner show paid nothing and the people that gave them the ticket paid $25. I wouldn’t take business advice from him or his Chamber that is just barely doing any better.
11/30/13 @ 11:45   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: This Again? [Visitor]
Ok I rest my case
@Well has demonstrated his absolute stupidity.

Mark Miller is a multimillionaire businessman who has been unbelievably successful, now @well who is a loser who never accomplished a thing in his life is going to lecture Miller on business, what a joke.

11/30/13 @ 13:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Wildman2 [Visitor]
@ Well

On the fourth day the Lord said,"Come forth for Brains."

Wells said "What?" and came fifth.
11/30/13 @ 15:19   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: H.R. Puffenstuff [Visitor]
Comm Hawkins would have to ask the BOCC for the attorney to get an opinion from the state.

However the county attorney can advise any commissioner on a legal question.

Comm Hawkins could have(might have}asked the Ethics Commission for their 2013 opinion based on 2013 law.

Maybe the question will arise Dec 16th?
11/30/13 @ 15:28   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
AHhhhhhhhhhh --- isn't it a shame that you can log in here under multiple names like Well aka shiro aka ugotthatWRONG- and so many others that you really need a psychologist to use this guy as a case study.

He loves Wee Wee but just coats it with "why do we talk about him?"

He's obsessed with hating TL Remember when he came in front of the board and TL made it clear he wont respond to him B-CUS he refuses to accept the answer he is given--even if given a dozen times and a dozen more other ways to understand it.

He did the same with the nationals. I know he will say--"oh he resorted to insults " but what do you call a guy who is simply a retarded moron. The description is accurate.

I dont agree with everyone on here -nor with some on every issue. There are some I'm not even in the same room but I just sat back again and watched all the other posts to SYbil, some on topics I didn't have knowledge of.

I got information and facts. Yet all this moron kept saying is "why didn't...???" and "but if.."

I chime in now b-cus with a fairly successful business background, and understanding of why some succeed - some fail--some have their time, it is clear the LACK of that knowledge by Well aka aka aka...

Not every business is meant to last forever. EVEN if you take his claim that he was giving tickets awya cheap to make those buying timeshares feel good or a perk, SO WHAT? Timeshares are factually one of the absolute worst financial investments anyone can make. So if he offered a few cheap tickets to the show and got even a small percentage of sales...then he was smart. DOes he know what a loss leader is? Major retailers use it all the time.

The prices of tickets are based on two main reasons. One is how much will people pay, but how much needs to be charged to cover costs and make the risk of investment worth the profit. Businesses run these analysis ALL the time. At some point the lines cross the point where you CANT be profitable.

People have limited recreational spending amounts. They make choices and in a very competitive market...they can choose not just Disney/universal and Sea world, but Medieval times and Pirate Dinner Adventure. Only a complete moron would not understand the differences in the attractions, the valuations, and the balance sheets that are no longer worth keeping the AK running.

I am 100% positive that any investor today would go into a business that they could make money directly or indirectly from, for 25 years.
11/30/13 @ 15:47   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Richard Wolf [Visitor]
Mark Miller announced the Horse show as Florida and the country slipped into a recession.I am sure there must have been a lot of folks that scoffed about the gamble.

25 years later Miller is folding his tent.
He is paying his employees right up to the day that turn the locks to the arena. Every vendor will will get paid.

How many smaller venues closed their doors and left vendors holding the bag? A lot.

Class act for 25 years. Class act on the way out.

11/30/13 @ 17:23   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: It's Only Money [Visitor]
The Wal-Mart Union protest flopped again on Black Friday just like the "Occupy" movement that was going to change America.
12/01/13 @ 08:56   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
Where are the Democrats that are going to challenge John Q?

Cheryl is going to make Frank work to win yet Democrats are putting money into his campaign as fast as they can. Frank loves the campaign trail.
12/01/13 @ 12:04   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Jesus [Visitor]
Ghost,

There is something greater than a political label. It is called sticking with your own. John Q is not the only Republican unopposed by Dems. Wanda Rentas is also Republican and unopposed (in a nonpartisan). Lets hope that the hispanics can unite and help one another rather than fight amongst themselves for scraps.
12/01/13 @ 15:55   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
@ Jesus

I agree with you on local elections about the parties.

On the county level its always been about who the person was even when Democrats pretty well swept everything.

On the BOCC nmost of the votes are common sense votes as the party winners don't vote along the state and national party lines.

No independent has ever won a constitutional office so you better pick a party that can raise money. Bobbie Gant was the king-maker in the 1970's and 80's.In fighting ended her reign when she wnet to Jon Lane's party after he won the Sheriff's seat as a Republican.A first in the history in the county.The tide had turned.

2014 will be interesting..local and state-wide.
12/01/13 @ 18:06   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
Blogger "Well" wins last weeks Wheeler's Foot In The Mouth comment about Mark Miller.
12/02/13 @ 08:05   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: UNBELIVEABLE [Visitor]
Question of the day, what is the ORANGE commissioners (OSCEOLA) going to give away today?

WATCH THE MEETING through the cigar smoke. Nothing will be a surprise.
12/02/13 @ 09:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
The BOCC has a workshop scheduled for Dec 6th.No agenda yet.

No regular meeting Dec 02.
12/02/13 @ 10:58   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ ugotthatright

I hardly post about Wheeler and have never supported him. Pretty sure you keep confusing me with other people. Since you think I am the only person who posts on this site. I have always felt wheeler has been a distraction to what else is going on the county.

@ Karl Roach

How did I put my foot in my mouth about Mark Miller? He inflated his ticket price to the general public to the point he failed just so the people holding free tickets could think they got a good free deal for looking at a timeshare. That’s just bad business regardless if he made it for 25 years. When a business fails it fails. Mark failed because he forgot it was the average tourist and even the occasional local that kept him afloat not the other businesses looking out for themselves using his show in their timeshare selling scheme.
12/02/13 @ 11:18   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Well

You proved my point. If Mark had not been a member of the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce you would be singing another tune.
12/02/13 @ 12:38   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
Didn't even mention the Chamber of Commerce in my last post. Try and make real and valid points.
12/02/13 @ 12:53   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Think about it [Visitor]
@ Karl Roach

What did Attkisson say at the State of the County some months back?

Wasn’t it word for word "Osceola economy is back with a vengeance."

If Attkisson was correct that must mean his buddy Mark Miller is just a bad business man, that along with Mr Miller being an outspoken member for the Chamber of Commerce Association in the News/Gazette. A lot of you rallied behind their self serving advice.
12/02/13 @ 13:32   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@Well

Do you take everything a politician as gospel and then make inane statements to show your ignorance?

I will be in Tallahassee Thursday and will drop by the Department of State to get the copy of the law you state makes all Chambers of Commerce one Association with branch offices.


I have called the Orlando,Kissimmee and
St Cloud Chanmbers and the representative stated they are not connected financially to each other.I see that there are 3 Chambers in Leon county and will ask then the same thing.
12/02/13 @ 14:28   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
What "inane statement"?

I posted the Florida statutes and everything anyone including Mai needs to know in the past.

If I am so full of crap why can’t one person debate me and prove me wrong. Why is it that all any of you can do make ridiculous accusations and name call?
12/02/13 @ 15:12   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Karl Roach

A very fast summery for you.


as•so•ci•a•tion

noun

1 a : the act of associating

b : the state of being associated : combination, relationship

2 : an organization of persons having a common interest : society

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/association?show=0&t=1369074863

Definition of CHAMBER OF COMMERCE:

an association of businesspeople to promote commercial and industrial interests in the community

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chamber%20of%20commerce


What the Ethics commission looks out for

1) Prohibition of solicitation or acceptance of gifts or compensation of any kind in exchange for a vote or other favorable action (ss.112.313(2) and (4) and 112.3148, F.S.).

2) Restrictions on business relations between an officer’s or employee’s agency and a business in which he or she has a
material interest (s. 112.313(3), F.S.).

3) Prohibition of misuse of position in order to secure a special privilege, benefit, or exemption for oneself (s. 112.313(6), F.S.).

4) Prohibition of employment or contractual relationship which would create a continuing conflict of interests (s. 112.313(7), F.S.).

5) Prohibition of misuse of privileged information (s. 112.313[8J,

6) Prohibition against being both an employee and a member of a governing body at the same time (s. 112.313(10)F.S.).

7) Prohibition of nepotism (5. 112.3135, F.S.).

8) Prohibition of voting on matters inuring to the private gain of oneself or one’s client; public disclosure of reason for abstaining from a vote; in event that one violates the prohibition, requirement of public disclosure. (S. 112.3143, F.S.).

9) Requirement of disclosure of financial interests and clients represented (ss. 112.3144 and 112.3145, F.S.).
12/02/13 @ 15:24   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
If any of you would have actually read the opinion they used After reading it you would have noticed that it’s not the same circumstances at all. And the question was asked by the City Commissioner himself. He was not a President of the Association and according to the Ethics Commission in that opinion that makes a difference

Also, and this is the big one

"No funds are provided by the City to the Chamber"

Our local Government funds the local Chamber with tax money to the point they keep it in business.

CEO 89-29 -- July 27, 1989

http://www.ethics.state.fl.us/opinions/89/CEO%2089-029.htm
12/02/13 @ 15:33   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
The 2013 Florida Statutes

501.973 Chambers of commerce.—
(1) For the purposes of this section:
(a) “Business entity” means any corporation, partnership, limited partnership, proprietorship, firm, enterprise, franchise, association, self-employed individual, or trust, whether fictitiously named or not, doing business in this state.
(b) “Chamber of commerce” means a voluntary membership, dues-paying organization of business and professional persons dedicated, as stated in the articles of incorporation or bylaws of the organization, to improving the economic climate and business development of the community, area, or region in which the organization is located and which:
1. Operates as an approved not-for-profit corporation under chapter 617 and as a corporation or association qualified for tax-exempt status under s. 501(c)(3) or s. 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended.
2. Files any required corporation annual reports with the Secretary of State and, if applicable, required annual information returns with the United States Internal Revenue Service.
3. Is governed by a volunteer board of directors of at least seven members who are elected from among the membership of the organization and who serve without compensation.
(2) A business entity, other than a chamber of commerce, shall not use the term “chamber of commerce” in its name or to describe itself, except for binational chambers of commerce recognized by the Office of International Affairs of the Department of State or chambers of commerce in existence on or before October 1, 1992. Any business entity which violates this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) This section imposes no requirement for oversight or regulation of a business entity name, trademark, trade name, or other requirement for filing or registration under any provision of law.
(4) Subject to the provisions of s. 495.151, a chamber of commerce may sue any business entity that is not a chamber of commerce as defined in this section to enjoin such entity from using the term “chamber of commerce” in its name or to describe itself as a chamber of commerce in any business or commerce.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0501/Sections/0501.973.html
12/02/13 @ 15:39   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
The Law is Gospel.

How do you fight facts? You act the fool by yelling and name calling.

It's not up to me to turn him in. It's up to him or them to do the right thing.
12/02/13 @ 15:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Bojangles [Visitor]
It seems Commissioner Hawkins is in clear violation. Or violations. Did he really also except a thousand dollars in campaign donations from the people with LSSI?
12/02/13 @ 16:21   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Well

You are clinging to your interpretation of 501.973 FS contrary to the intent in plain language that does back up your use by using a dictionary to tie the law to your self serving reasons to attack the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce.

If you were truly concerned about Comm Hawkins being in violation you would have already filed a complaint with the Florida Commission on Ethics.

You are on-point with Comm Hawkins relationship with the St Cloud Chamber if in fact he is drawing a check.He is not making money from the Kissimmee Chamber hence there is no conflict there.

Comm Hawkins believes he is doing the right thing. The Opinion is just an opinion that relates to the person that requested it. It's not law but can serve as a guide.

He told me that he welcomes any complaint against him with the Ethics Commission concerning this matter.



12/02/13 @ 16:25   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Bojangles

Yes, LSSI rep Tim Buckley with Sloan Mackezie Public Affairs and Elgere Strategies LLC that gave $1000 to Hawkins campaign. Buckley was lobbying the county for LSSI for the privatizing or outsourcing the libraries.

He was the swing vote that said he was going to listen to the people. He set up a Q and A, the majority of the people who showed up were against it. Hawkins even stated that the majority of emails he received were against it. But he was the 3rd vote that made it happen anyway.

@ Karl Roach

No they are all a legal Association.

The 2013 Florida Statutes

501.973 Chambers of commerce.—
(1) For the purposes of this section:
(a) “Business entity” means any corporation, partnership, limited partnership, proprietorship, firm, enterprise, franchise, association, self-employed individual, or trust, whether fictitiously named or not, doing business in this state.
(b) “Chamber of commerce” means a voluntary membership, dues-paying organization of business and professional persons dedicated, as stated in the articles of incorporation or bylaws of the organization, to improving the economic climate and business development of the community, area, or region in which the organization is located and which:
1. Operates as an approved not-for-profit corporation under chapter 617 and as a corporation or association qualified for tax-exempt status under s. 501(c)(3) or s. 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended.
2. Files any required corporation annual reports with the Secretary of State and, if applicable, required annual information returns with the United States Internal Revenue Service.
3. Is governed by a volunteer board of directors of at least seven members who are elected from among the membership of the organization and who serve without compensation.
(2) A business entity, other than a chamber of commerce, shall not use the term “chamber of commerce” in its name or to describe itself, except for binational chambers of commerce recognized by the Office of International Affairs of the Department of State or chambers of commerce in existence on or before October 1, 1992. Any business entity which violates this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) This section imposes no requirement for oversight or regulation of a business entity name, trademark, trade name, or other requirement for filing or registration under any provision of law.
(4) Subject to the provisions of s. 495.151, a chamber of commerce may sue any business entity that is not a chamber of commerce as defined in this section to enjoin such entity from using the term “chamber of commerce” in its name or to describe itself as a chamber of commerce in any business or commerce.



12/02/13 @ 16:37   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ @ Karl Roach

Also according to this old opinion from the ethics commission he can not even take the position as it is in conflict.

CEO 89-29 -- July 27, 1989

http://www.ethics.state.fl.us/opinions/89/CEO%2089-029.htm

What the Ethics commission looks out for

1) Prohibition of solicitation or acceptance of gifts or compensation of any kind in exchange for a vote or other favorable action (ss.112.313(2) and (4) and 112.3148, F.S.).

2) Restrictions on business relations between an officer’s or employee’s agency and a business in which he or she has a
material interest (s. 112.313(3), F.S.).

3) Prohibition of misuse of position in order to secure a special privilege, benefit, or exemption for oneself (s. 112.313(6), F.S.).

4) Prohibition of employment or contractual relationship which would create a continuing conflict of interests (s. 112.313(7), F.S.).

5) Prohibition of misuse of privileged information (s. 112.313[8J,

6) Prohibition against being both an employee and a member of a governing body at the same time (s. 112.313(10)F.S.).

7) Prohibition of nepotism (5. 112.3135, F.S.).

8) Prohibition of voting on matters inuring to the private gain of oneself or one’s client; public disclosure of reason for abstaining from a vote; in event that one violates the prohibition, requirement of public disclosure. (S. 112.3143, F.S.).

9) Requirement of disclosure of financial interests and clients represented (ss. 112.3144 and 112.3145, F.S.).
12/02/13 @ 16:42   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Karl Roach

You are trying to redefine the Association to not be legally binding under the statutes and the laws that protect the whole Chamber of Commerce Association. It is one Association.

Every Chamber of Commerce that files its bylaws with the State are all associated and protected as such under the statutes. It doesn't matter what "Chamber" an associate is from they all are legally bound. It is clearly stated in the Florida statutes the the Chamber of Commerce is one Association.
12/02/13 @ 16:52   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
@Karl--

WHy bother? Well aka aka aka thinks by saying I have him confused with someone else he'll "throw us off." It's the same guy under a zillion names... and if he was a different guy--he has the exact same M.O. and pathetic life.

He wont face facts because he cant comprehend them. Doesn't understand business as proof from his moronic comments about Arabian Nights--

He never puts down Wee wee- because he hates HATES TL so much so he veils it with-- "wee wee is just a distraction.."

He is the king of copy and paste and no matter what you say- it wont matter. You can't and shouldn't waste time on a door knob. We've all learned the reality of his mental illness and multiple personalities. He is a troll, found a site to get his rocks off to... but not worth the time to reply to the mind of drywall paste.
12/02/13 @ 16:52   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ ugotthatright


"How do you fight facts? You act the fool by yelling and name calling."
12/02/13 @ 16:55   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Bojangles [Visitor]
I think that ugotthatright should be banned from posting. That person seams to have nothing good to offer but insults and gibberish.

@ Well

Thank you. Hard to believe anyone would come to Mr Hawkins defense after reading the law.
12/02/13 @ 17:27   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ ugotthatright

Let me ask you this "Liberal", why do you a self proclaimed “Liberal” support outsourcing and privatizing?

Next question, why would you support the self proclaimed Conservative Commissioner Fred Hawkins break the law?

Next question do you even realize what your name calling about?

You don’t have to answer just start thinking before you argue facts. Last thing, I am posting as "Well". Perhaps on the next blog I will post as Vicious Cycle since I know how much you like that one.

You all have great night.
12/02/13 @ 17:35   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ugotthatright

You are right. The guy wades into Mark Miller as being a political nightmare, a con and rip off artist.

Then he says he never wrote that? Must have been his alter-ego.

12/02/13 @ 18:17   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
this is what I hear when Well aka aka aka writes...or better said..babbles...

http://youtu.be/ss2hULhXf04
12/02/13 @ 18:39   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Math for Idiots [Visitor]
How does one inflame the masses?? Easy! Just add three extra zero's to a number. I don't think the BCC gave 1 BILLION dollars, Carl. Count your zeros or have a 3rd grader edit this crap.
12/02/13 @ 22:12   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
Channel 9 come to the rescue with breathless report about the $10 million promised the City of Orlando for the soccer team.

The special event seems to be the mystery as every thing else is in the written agreement.

What was promised was that the soccer team will play in Osceola county for their homes games in 2014. That the soccer team will help promote yiuth soccer programs. That Orlando will
help on the Osceola Parkway project.

This is called Regionalism-government helping government.What the county needs to explain how the county is going to get an investment of 10-fold for the 10 million. That's what the county manager told the newspaper.
12/02/13 @ 23:38   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: ugotthatright [Visitor]
Only an idiot with a new name (Math for.. aka aka aka and we all know who that is) would not know a simple typo. Only an idiot like him would make dozens of posts about this "crap" and when he ran out of lame comments thinks we were all "inflamed" by a typo. CLASSIC!
12/03/13 @ 08:09   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Soothsayer Say [Visitor]
@Well is a well known troll on the Orlando Sentinel web as on KSIB.

He popped up after a run in with some Teabaggers in Orlando before the 2012 elections.

He has camped out here to mock local politicians-all Republicans-and state they all are crooks.

He big head sweller was when the Chinese project fell through taking full credit for the demise.

He opposed the Washington Nationals until Brian Womg-Chinese American opposed the team as a member of the Chamber of Commerce.Then he became a avid supporter and Mr Wong became a crook.

He is a rabid foe of any Chamber of Commerce as he believes they are trying to take over Congress for the Republicans.

He is always 100% right so any of you that try to enlighten him can't.



12/03/13 @ 09:30   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
Mark miller is a political nightmare. I never denied typing that. He did run his business in the ground in part by over inflating his ticket sales for the reason I have previously posted.

I do not post on the Orlando Sentinel.

I am right here chatting with you about Commissioner Fred Hawkins and his conflict. Yet you would rather make up stories about me. I am posting as "Well" if you have any reasonable questions just ask.

My talking points still remain and not one of you has come close to proving Hawkins is not in violation.

If the statutes concerning Hawkins and his conflict confuses any of you I will go over them line by line with you.

You can go on and saying he is not in violation and I will just continue using the the statutes, definitions and opinions to show you that he is. The classic Facts against Belligerence. So long as I have the law and ethics commission opinions on my side you will continue looking foolish if you cant learn how to be PC and converse in an adult fashion. But know this name calling has never bothered me it lets me know you know I am correct.
12/03/13 @ 11:02   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Soothsayer Say [Visitor]
@Well

Denial is a favorite trick of a politician.

From what I know you are correct about Hawkins and the SC Chamber.

The Opinion you live by clearly shows the elected official had financial ties to that Chamber as does Hawkins..maybe.

Hawkins has no financial ties to the Kissimmee Chamber so that takes him out of that discussion.

I will call Comm Hawkins as you seem not being able to talk to him personally about his conflict.Reading this thread the county attorney advised him of not having a conflict on the record at a budget workshop.

I only post with this name on KSIB.
12/03/13 @ 11:25   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Soothsayer Say

I wasn't even going to address this again with you but for your sake I will. You are obviously the person with a problem with Brian Wong's ethnicity. I called him out a couple times for lying and making deals with Hawkins and Horner. It is apparent that you have a problem with him for other reasons. I don't even think like that, people who have a problem with hate do.

If anyone would like to see just one of the reasons I have problem with Wong watch the last few minutes of this meeting. Although checking out the whole thing is better. Brian Wong went around telling people he had a deal with Hawkins on the privatizing the CVB. Just more proof that Hawkins is in conflict.

http://www.osceola.org/osceola_tv/264-8145-23919/tourist_development_regular_meeting.cfm
12/03/13 @ 11:51   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Soothsayer Say

All the "chambers" are by law “associated” as the “Chamber of Commerce”.

According to the statutes, the law that protects them, they are one "business entity" called and protected by the state as the “Chamber of Commerce”.

That’s what this means. Sorry if some of you don't like my continuously posting it but it’s one of the facts to the discussion that are being overlooked for his or their sake.

The 2013 Florida Statutes

501.973 Chambers of commerce.—
(1) For the purposes of this section:
(a) “Business entity” means any corporation, partnership, limited partnership, proprietorship, firm, enterprise, franchise, association, self-employed individual, or trust, whether fictitiously named or not, doing business in this state.
(b) “Chamber of commerce” means a voluntary membership, dues-paying organization of business and professional persons dedicated, as stated in the articles of incorporation or bylaws of the organization, to improving the economic climate and business development of the community, area, or region in which the organization is located and which:
1. Operates as an approved not-for-profit corporation under chapter 617 and as a corporation or association qualified for tax-exempt status under s. 501(c)(3) or s. 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended.
2. Files any required corporation annual reports with the Secretary of State and, if applicable, required annual information returns with the United States Internal Revenue Service.
3. Is governed by a volunteer board of directors of at least seven members who are elected from among the membership of the organization and who serve without compensation.
(2) A business entity, other than a chamber of commerce, shall not use the term “chamber of commerce” in its name or to describe itself, except for binational chambers of commerce recognized by the Office of International Affairs of the Department of State or chambers of commerce in existence on or before October 1, 1992. Any business entity which violates this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) This section imposes no requirement for oversight or regulation of a business entity name, trademark, trade name, or other requirement for filing or registration under any provision of law.
(4) Subject to the provisions of s. 495.151, a chamber of commerce may sue any business entity that is not a chamber of commerce as defined in this section to enjoin such entity from using the term “chamber of commerce” in its name or to describe itself as a chamber of commerce in any business or commerce.

12/03/13 @ 12:06   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Well

So go make it clear:

If The Miami Chamber of Commerce makes a proposal to run the marketing division of the CVB Comm Hawkins could not vote?
12/03/13 @ 13:22   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ ugotthatright

Just so you know, I am pleased that Wheeler is no longer chairman. The state considers School Boards a "special board" the districts follow the county districts but not the rules of the county charter. There is very little you and I can do about Wheeler because the only way he can be removed by the people is by vote on Election Day. He is not subject to recall and he knows this and acts the part. He has to be removed by the Governor and without any further breaking of the statutes from him there is nothing that can be done other then educating his district.

For years he has literally been entertained by the people of this site knowing there is nothing that any amount of complaining can do. I like a few others just chose to ignore him when he acts up. He is similar to you in a few ways, some people just crave attention. I do not care for recognition and chose to post under different handles. Ironically you chose to post as "ugotthatright" responding to one of my old posts. I just thought you might want to also know that.

@ Wildman2

I will finish answering your questions about privatizing the CVB from last week with this.

Some call it Predatory Privatization which means:

privatization schemes that directly sell off assets that belong to the public, legislators enrich corporate interests at the expense of the long-term interests of the American people in assets their taxes have helped build.

In this case it would give corporations like (but of course not limited to) Disney more say in how the counties or our promotional money gets spent. All tax money should be vetted and get spent in the way the people of the county want it spent, regardless how a tax is collected.
12/03/13 @ 13:26   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
@ Karl Roach

According to the Florida Statutes if they have properly filed their bylaws with the state making them legally part of the "business entity" the "Chamber of Commerce" he would have to abstain under the current situation involving Commissioner Hawkins, the county, and the Chamber of Commerce. That is why just taking the job under the current state of affairs is in conflict with his elected position.

Hawkins could quite the job.

Hawkins could step down from his elected position.

Our local Government could stop funding the Chamber of Commerce with our tax dollars.
12/03/13 @ 13:44   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Question Mark [Visitor]
@Well,

Can you answer a few simple questions with either a yes or a no?

1. Have YOU filed an ethics complaint against Hawkins?

2. If YOU haven't filed, will YOU?

3. If YOU will file, when?

Since you have the statutes,definitions and opinions and you've posted here many, many times, YOU have the civil duty to file the complaint. One way or another, you have the responsibility to do the right thing. Too bad all of us have the courage to stand up. As the saying goes, either put up, or shut up.
12/03/13 @ 16:24   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Richard Wolf [Visitor]
Funding to the Chamber with the Tourist Tax as a CVB is in the current Law approved by the elected legislature.The county is not selling off any property in the RFP in the marketing proposal. If they do the money has to back into the CVB fund.

The CVB funds are vetted at the 2 annual budget hearings and at the start if every TDC meeting.All records on expenses are public.

I agree that the local governments should not be members of any Chamber of Commerce.That said it would be hard to locate one that isn't.The members of government should not be on the Board of Directors. The position should be filled by the appointed managers or directors in the case if the utilities.
12/03/13 @ 16:35   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Here Comes The Judge [Visitor]
"Well" has stated it's not his job to enforce the Ethics Law. He is the messenger.

The problem I see if he did it wouldn't take Hawkins lawyer a few minutes to figure out he was the one accusing Hawkins of being on the take for vote selling for the library vote.

12/03/13 @ 18:32   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Ghost Writer [Visitor]
Conflict of Interest Vote

To abstain from a vote an official has to declare that he will will have a financial
gain or loss.

If a family member is involved directly in the request.

Comm Hawkins receives no money from the Kissimmee Chamber. No one in his family works for the Chamber.

12/04/13 @ 09:02   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
Kissimmee Chamber is a part of the "business entity" or the "Association" the "Chamber of Commerce" just like St Cloud. Hawkins is a paid Chamber of Commerce President.

See the 2013 Florida Statutes

501.973 Chambers of commerce.—
12/04/13 @ 10:26   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Richard Wolf [Visitor]
I called the Commission on Ethics this morning after reading "Ghost Writer" comment.

He is 100% correct.Hawkins has no financial ties to the Kissimmee Chamber so there is no voting conflict.

I also called an attorney friend that is employed with the state attorney's office in Leon county. No home cooking call to Osceola county.

No financial ties-no voting conflict.The agency to investigate is the Ethics Commission.
12/04/13 @ 11:26   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: St Cloud Resident [Visitor]
I wonder how long Fred will continue to read on KSIB that he accepted money for the Library vote?

In 1990 a resident told a county commissioner that he voted "Yes" on a zoning change because a developer in Saint Cloud had brought his vote with a campaign donation at the public hearing.

The commissioner sent a letter through his private attorney as did the developer to the citizen. The citizen made an apology at a meeting 2 months later rather than defend his statement before a judge.
12/04/13 @ 11:45   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
I called the Commission on Ethics months ago and was told nothing like that. So I called them back today and was told someone should file a complaint with the facts of the case and that there were no other calls today concerning our situation. I was also told that the opinion they used wouldn't apply to us and shouldn't have been used that every situation is different.

Too much focus is being put on reasons for why he could vote while serving two conflicting bosses. You’re looking for some technicality when whether he could vote or not with his Association is irrelevant when the conflict is caused just from taking the job. Since taking the job is a conflict, voting goes without question.

The St Cloud Chamber of Commerce knew this previously to Commissioner Hawkins taking the job. That is why they had it in their bylaws that no elected persons could serve as the branches President. Had they not realized that it was a conflict they never would have put that in the first place.
12/04/13 @ 16:03   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Really? [Visitor]
@Well

You said you would answer question. Will you answer Question Marks?

If you have positive proof and you talked to the Ethics Commission again and they said someone should file, shouldn't it be you.

We are all awaiting your answer, as you said you would.
12/04/13 @ 17:31   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Really

"Well" writes as if there is only one staff member at the office at the Ethics Commission to give him exactly what he wants to hear.They don't pass out opinions if you should file a complaint as he indicates.

He "knows" that Fred took money to vote "Yes" on the Library change.He "knows" that all Chamber is Florida are branch offices of a mysterious Association that only he knows about.

Fred is out of town until Friday and unlike "Well"I am going to ask him about the kick-back and his relationship
with the Kissimmee Chamber of Commerce this Friday.
12/04/13 @ 19:54   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: St Cloud Resident [Visitor]
The provision in the St Cloud Greater Osceola Chamber Of Commerce concerning elected officials was put in the By-Laws in 1972. This was 19 years before the opinion cited by Blogger Well from the Ethics Commission.

The Kissimmee/Osceola Chamber of Commerce has not paid Comm. Hawkins a dime as he is not employed with them. The only connection they have is the words,"Chamber of Commerce".

I voted for Comm Hawkins to defeat Bill Lane.I voted for him again for his second term. The claim that he was paid to vote for the out-sourcing of the library is sour grapes.
12/05/13 @ 07:34   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: UNBELIVEABLE [Visitor]
If I understand wee's trying to convict FREDDIE for voting with a coonflick be for he votes with a coonflick.
I belives someone is JELIOUS of FREDDIE.
12/05/13 @ 09:41   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Well [Visitor]
The 2013 Florida Statutes

112.313 Standards of conduct for public officers, employees of agencies, and local government attorneys.—

(7) CONFLICTING EMPLOYMENT OR CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP.—
(a) No public officer or employee of an agency shall have or hold any employment or contractual relationship with any business entity or any agency which is subject to the regulation of, or is doing business with, an agency of which he or she is an officer or employee, excluding those organizations and their officers who, when acting in their official capacity, enter into or negotiate a collective bargaining contract with the state or any municipality, county, or other political subdivision of the state; nor shall an officer or employee of an agency have or hold any employment or contractual relationship that will create a continuing or frequently recurring conflict between his or her private interests and the performance of his or her public duties or that would impede the full and faithful discharge of his or her public duties.

@ Really?

Marks question was answered for me.
12/05/13 @ 13:05   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: Karl Roach [Visitor]
@ Well

What portion of the statue do you think Hawkins is in violation of?
12/05/13 @ 15:31   ^ Top Of Page ^
Comment from: John Woodman [Visitor]
Comm Hawkins is employed by the St Cloud Chamber of Commerce for $50,000 a year.
12/06/13 @ 08:42   ^ Top Of Page ^

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